can be looked at, that's why i think the degree of polarization that we are is something that is very unforth and frank, unfortunate and frankly i have seen period in the past when washington has been divided but this seems to me to be a particularly high degree of intransigence and unwillingness to deal on the part of those who are trying to take some things off the table before the conversation starts. >> rose: now we are talking about house republicans who are trying to take any increase in revenue off the table, any elimination of deductions off the table, that's the precondition -- >> that's the precondition that is of particular concern to me but there are certainly some democrats that say that no disbielt. can be look at, i think that position is an equally wrong position. i don't think that is a position that is holding back the debate at this point, but i think that is an equally wrong position. i think people that say it all has to come from defense or we can't look at defense are people who are making a mistake. i think we need to be prepared to look at everything as we address the